2008.040.023 Oral History Interview with Toby Turkel March 28, 2008

 

Toby Turkel is a Jewish woman who was born and raised in East New York, Brooklyn, and moved to Chinatown in the mid-seventies. She is an active community member, serving as the president of Chatham Towers, a co-op in Chinatown, as well as the vice president of Synagogue for the Arts. During this oral history, she begins by discussing her childhood in East New York and her personal journey that led her to live independently on the Lower East Side beginning in the sixties. Turkel later got married and moved into Chatham Towers, an apartment building located in Chinatown and predominantly inhabited by Asians. She explains how her relationship with the Chinatown community has grown over time and how she feels privileged to experience its unique culture, affectionately describing the area as “gritty” and down to earth. She also reflects on her unusual circumstance of being a non-Chinese resident of the neighborhood. Turkel goes on to describe some of the issues affecting the Chinatown neighborhood that arise during the Chatham Tower board meetings, such as placard parking, congestion pricing, the proposed reconfiguration of Chatham Square, and the “Chinatown arch.” She also discusses the pros and cons of a proposed Chinatown Business Improvement District [BID], which would assess businesses and buildings and collect funds from landlords for community improvement. Although she recognizes there are some positive outcomes of gentrification, Turkel rejects changes that would threaten the fundamental character and distinctness of the Chinatown neighborhood.

0:00 - Introduction, Describes growing up in East New York as a Jewish family in a predominately Italian neighborhood, Operating family store, Being a first generation college student and earning masters degrees and PhD, Moving to Lower East Side in 1966

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11:34 - Current involvement with organizations in New York, Meeting husband and moving to Chatham Towers apartment in Chinatown, Describing Chinatown neighborhood as congested and dirty but exciting place when she arrived in the ‘70s, Becoming more familiar with Chinatown during 1980s

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22:24 - Describing attraction to the “gritty” and genuine family communities of Lower East Side, Changes to Columbus Park, Experiences on 9/11

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32:27 - Skyrocketing insurance cost in Chatham Tower after 9/11, Neighborhood considered “target” after 9/11 attack, Parking congestion in neighborhood and traffic concerns of residents, Chatham Tower board, Chatham Tower shift toward high income residents

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41:56 - The creation of a Chinatown Business Improvement District (BID) could generate funds for neighborhood improvement but it could threaten the neighborhood and residents, Need to preserve Chinatown’s affordable restaurants and businesses, Son growing up in Chinatown

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51:34 - Son met a lot of local residents playing basketball in Columbus Park as a kid, Discussing Turkel’s art, Unique circumstance being non-Chinese living in Chinatown and being so involved with the community, Ability to navigate the politics of Chinatown more objectively as a kind of outsider

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61:35 - Tai chi was an activity that enabled Turkel to meet people and integrate with the Chinatown community, Befriending Pamela Lee while shopping in Chinatown, Borders of Chinatown, Changes created by Gentrification and being conflicted about those changes

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70:42 - Chinatown needs better transportation, Desire to preserve the unique character and distinctiveness of Chinatown, Growth of Chinatown neighborhood, Problems that would be created by the proposed reconfiguration of Chatham Square

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