2008.040.009 Oral History Interview with Daniel Carter and Marilyn Sontag January 2, 2008

 

Husband and wife Daniel Carter and Marilyn Sontag moved together to Chinatown in 1970, where they continue to live and work today—Carter as a musician and writer and Sontag as an abstract artist and part-time gallery coordinator. In their interview, they describe their meeting in Italy and their decision to subsequently relocate to New York City. The couple illustrates Chinatowns community of artists present during the 70s and 80s, and describes the ways in which that atmosphere has changed. Additionally, they explain how they have seen an evolution in SoHo and Little Italy, evident in the increased development and prevalent “boutique culture.” Along these same lines, Carter and Sontag also see a gradual but seemingly constant change in population: as younger, wealthier residents move in, older residents—particularly Asian and Italian residents—are pushed out by higher rent prices. Both would like to see more affordable housing in Chinatown, Little Italy, and SoHo, and Carter expresses a personal struggle with what he perceives as disregard or disrespect for customs and culture in New York, or what he refers to as “brutal displacement.”

0:00 - Introductions, Moving from Italy to New York, Difficulty of finding real estate in New York during the early 1970s, Applying for Artist in Residence status for art certification from the city government, Moving to Centre Street and the history of residents in their building

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13:07 - Carter’s childhood with father working for Air Force, Carter enlisted in military and went to school of music after basic training to play saxophone in Europe, Origin of Carter’s Interest in music, Sontag growing up in Brooklyn and Bronx, Sontag’s first marriage and moving to Europe

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23:29 - Police station on Centre Street and crime in the area, Police station unoccupied for long time before becoming condos, Boundaries of neighborhood in Lower East Side, Businesses that were in the area before and extreme changes caused by gentrification

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36:01 - Centre Street area use to have more commercial and industrial spaces during 1970s, Textile factories, inter-racial tension because of proximity of many different immigrant groups, Accessing real estate for artists was very difficult during the 1970s

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51:04 - Safety of Chinatown area, Cultural diversity of New York neighborhood has created infested interactions between traditions and religions, Describe their apartment that was former commercial space

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62:42 - Impact of artists on geographic layout of New York neighborhoods, Artist communities and the impact of gentrification on artist’ workspaces, Feeling that artists were restricted to lower Manhattan during the 1970s

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75:21 - Artistic atmosphere in lower Manhattan changing over time, Issue renting space brought artists together, Artist community during 1960s had popular hangout places at bars, Tension between residents and commercial businesses in Centre Street neighborhood, Centre Street described as a “Demilitarized Zone” in literal and figurative sense

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86:56 - Different experiences of people who are residents versus workers in Centre Street neighborhood, Impact of 9/11 on neighborhood, Changes to Little Italy and SoHo loft apartments

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98:27 - Rent inflation changing the demographics of Lower Manhattan neighborhoods, Money from Chinese abroad have funded more construction projects in Manhattan rather than Chinese in Chinatown

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105:15 - Presence of elderly people has remained constant in Lower Manhattan, Residents still develop relationships with local small business owners, Advertising and technology is more invasive now, New public library on Mulberry Street

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114:11 - Need for more affordable and quality housing, Reasons for counterfeit goods markets, Lack of appreciation for valuable culture and customs, Brutal displacement of local people and culture

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124:05 - City has narrow conception of what work and skilled labor is, Wasteful American consumerism, Boundaries of Chinatown

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