2008.040.008 Oral History Interview with Betty Sze October 25, 2007

 

Betty Sze discusses her vague memory of spending her early childhood playing outside of the Grand Machinery Exchange building, which was located on Centre Street. Her father owned a produce wholesale supply company, while her mother worked in factories. In her interview, she describes gentrification in terms of rent-prices consistently rising, developers becoming more aggressive in planning building projects, and entire neighborhoods such as Little Italy, being taken over by Chinese residents and businesses. Sze characterizes present-day Chinatown as a place that is more attractive to “Westerners” and inviting to tourists. She views tourism as having a positive economic effect on Chinatown, as well as contributing to the vibrancy of the neighborhood, but she also acknowledges that tourism has driven prices up and perhaps detracted from the authenticity of the Chinatown experience. While she has seen many of the special landmarks from her youth disappear from Chinatown, she still considers the neighborhood her spiritual home and an authentic Chinese American experience.

0:00 - Name and introduction, born in 1968, Brooklyn resident, relationship to Chinatown, earliest memories of a father owned fruit and vegetable wholesale company on 218 Centre Street that supplied restaurants all over Chinatown and all the borough in the early 70s, she moved to Queens, then Long Island, and returned to Queens between five to nine years, she remembers playing in the store before her sister Julie was born

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5:44 - Discusses specific buildings in the area and their streets, such as the Grand Machinery Exchange on Centre, the Machinery Exchange on Baxter and Hester, Music Palace, Oltarsh building on Broadway and Canal, Solita Soho Hotel on Grand Street used to be a poultry market, Jewish Daily Forward Building, she remembers finding the block boring was in her childhood

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22:24 - She recalls kung fu films shown at the Music Palace on the Bowery, notes that Black people enjoyed kung fu, people used to go there in the 70s to watch kung fu films, Tomie Arai’s mural “Wall of Respect for the Working People of Chinatown” (1978)

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26:04 - She recently lived by the Forward building, doesn’t consider her neighborhood a part of Chinatown because there weren’t culturally Chinese things, lack of greenery in Chinatown, she recalls growing up in New York in the 80s, people were not friendly to others because it wasn’t a safe time, had a Black musician neighbor in Chinatown who she would always see walking down the street with his instrument case, the neighborhood wasn’t notably multiracial, it was predominantly Chinese

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33:05 - What outsiders think of Chinatown, how Chinatown is special to her, childhood in Chinatown, she went to the comic bookstore regularly, she didn’t understand the adults speaking advanced Shanghainese, now she goes to Chinatown for the kung fu stores, what has and hasn’t changed in Chinatown, Fujianese in Chinatown

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48:24 - Gentrification, in the 70s and 80s Chinatown was distinctively Chinese only, the progression of Chinatown’s expansion into Little Italy, 9/11 impact on Chinatown, she thinks business from white people is good for the economy of Chinatown but a problem when they move in and drive up the rent, elders living in tenements, immigrants moving to Queens instead, similarities with San Francisco’s Chinatown, Chinese sentiments on gentrification

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64:00 - Generational difference between her and her daughter not growing up in Chinatown

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