1987.008.004 Oral History Interview with Virginia Kee

 

Virginia Kee (b. 1932) was a long-time teacher at Junior High School 65, a co-founder of the Chinatown Planning Council (CPC), and a trailblazer in Chinatown and New York Democratic politics. In this oral history, Kee begins by recalling her childhood in New York Chinatown during the Depression years. She recounts the story of how her family got the Moshang last name, and describes her early schooling at PS 1 when it was mostly attended by the children of European immigrants. She recalls taking Mandarin classes at PS 1, which everyone seemed to be studying during World War II, as well as traveling on the "el" (elevated trains) to Chinese school at Huie Kin First Chinese Presbyterian Church. She also discusses the story of her father and mother and the circumstances of their immigration and marriage. Her father fled to Hong Kong and became a seaman after he cut his queue in defiance of the Qing government during the Manchu Rebellion. While on shore leave, he did not wake up in time to catch his ship and stayed on in New York, learning English quickly and becoming one the first bilingual salesmen at Cooks Restaurant Supplies, which sold to many Chinese Restaurants. Her mother, who was married at a young age to a man who shortly left China, insisted on coming to America to find him after waiting years for him to return to his home village. Her cousins, clerks at the Wing On Company, arranged for her to accompany a family with diplomatic status as an "ah mah" or nanny around 1910/1911. Finding that her husband had married an American woman, they agreed to a "Chinese divorce" and she worked for the Feng diplomat family until he was reassigned to Mexico in the mid-1920s. She reached out to the Zhongshan association for someone to marry, met Kee father, remarried and started raising a family when she was almost forty. Her father became owner of the Canton Restaurant on 11 Mott Street, which Virginia, her sister, and brothers all helped out at when they grew older. However, even with the whole family labor, they struggled during the recession following World War II. No longer able to make ends meet in Chinatown, her father decided to sell the restaurant and move the family to Charlotte, NC. Though she was allowed to attend Harry P. Harding High School, the white school, she describes her witness of the injustices of segregation as an education for her political thinking, which informed her work in the 1960s with CPC and her later work in the political arena. The oral history concludes with Kee sharing about her life after returning to New York from Charlotte. She worked while attending classes at night, slowly earning her BA and MA from Hunter College. She also married Herbert Kee, an engineer, and later, doctor. Lastly, she reflects on how not having children made her a bit different during her time and why she came to be involved in community work. This is the first of three interviews that MOCA staff conducted with Virginia Kee during the 1980s.

0:00 - Introduction, where and when she was born, was difficult for parents during the Depression, her siblings' occupations, their last name is Mao but is Moshang in English, why they went to PS 1 instead of PS 23, father integrated the school, was the only Chinese girl, when went to JHS 65 there were 6-7 Chinese, were mostly European immigrants, she and her siblings mostly spent time with each other, most immigrants were from Toisan but father came from Zhongshan, had a much smaller support network

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6:25 - Father was a seaman, jumped ship, learned English, worked at Cook's Restaurant Supplies, cut his queue during Manchu Rebellion, confessed and naturalized after World War II, mother married at young age to man who left China, father sent money back from Nanyang or Australia, mother was unhappy waiting for husband, came to the US as an ah mah in 1989/1900, divorced after found husband had married, stayed and worked then married father ca. 1925, had difficult time because 1929 was the crash

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13:13 - Her mother came with diplomat Feng, husband had married an American woman and had no intention of returning to China, had a Chinese divorce, father's business in sea urchins provided income for the family to build out their resources, became merchants and had stores, she was married with in-laws but could return to aunt's home, cousins at Wing On Company had contacts who helped her get to the US, her feet were bound but cousins said it was a feudal custom, when took off binding was very painful

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19:01 - After father died mother lived another twenty years, thinks that her mother's spirit inspired her and her siblings to accomplish a lot of the things they did, contextualizes how extraordinary it was for a woman of her time to insist on leaving her home village and come to this country, got married American-style at City Hall, thinks that her mom was influenced by what her own mother went through, was a rebel with progressive ideas, passed this on to her children, to not accept things as they are

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22:48 - Father was 5-6 years older than mother, mostly men back then, mother knew if she wanted to stay in America she had to be married, did not have anything to do in home village with servants, not until World War II were they able to have any type of status, mother's education, father was literate, got in trouble because he joined a group that was against Manchus, how seeing what her own mother went through may have influenced her mother; mother as rebel and inspiration

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28:02 - Went to First Chinese Presbyterian Church, attended Chinese school there, later sold that building and  moved to Henry Street, now goes to church at 5th Ave and 12th Street, the Black community had services in church on Henry Street but their numbers had grown smaller whereas the Chinese community kept getting larger, had to wait for when the Black congregation was not using it but then gave the church to the Chinese [pause in interview]

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30:40 - Went to Chinese school in junior high, studied Mandarin at PS 1, father sold restaurant and moved family to North Carolina, it was right in the middle of segregation, it was an education for her political thinking, thinks it informed her later work with the Chinatown Planning Council and in politics, if you don't have political power you don't have anything, motivated by the immigrant pioneer spirit to leave when things were not good, mother was unhappy in Charlotte so they returned to New York

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36:39 - When they returned father worked in restaurant on Long Island, because of war economy having own restaurant again meant had to invest a lot now had other needs, growing up everyone had to help out because needed to rely on whole family's labor to make money, went to school at night and got BA and MA after 12 years, did not live in Chinatown but where Columbia University is, later moved back to Chinatown, by that time had married and continued working 

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40:23 - Her first job was working at a bank then an import-export firm, after she married she and husband moved back to Chinatown then bought an apartment in Queens then came back to Chinatown, how Chinatown back then and today were different, was almost like a village in a city setting and everyone knew each other, how not having children made her a bit different from other women at the time, how she chose to become involved in community activities after her husband decided to go to medical school

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