2021.022.001-2 Interview with Charlie Lai July 23, 2012

 

Charlie Lai along with Jack Tchen are founders of the Chinatown History Project, which has gone on to become the Museum of Chinese in America. In this five part interview conducted over the course of several months Charlie talks about his childhood in Hong Kong and how his family eventually decided to immigrate to the United States when he was nine years old. He talks about living with his uncle when they first arrive in the states and saying on Long Island. His family eventually moves into their own place in Manhattan. Later he recounts his time at Princeton and his community organizing effort to recruit more Asian students to the school even though he was not fond of the institution. While still a student at Princeton he spent summers working at Basement Workshop, which was where he met Jack Tchen. Basement had many issues with inter office politics and eventually closed. Charlie and Jack began discussing ideas, which would turn into the Chinatown History Project at 70 Mulberry Street. Charlie eventually steps down as executive director of the museum because he didn’t feel he could take it to the next level. But is called back when his replacement Fay Chew needs his help in growing the organization into a bigger space. Charlie recounts in depth his fundraising efforts with Maya Lin in the wake of the 9-11 attack to try and find the museum a new home, which ends up being 215 Centre Street. He makes mention of his personal life and marriage to Pat, whom he met while community organizing in college. After leaving the museum for a second time Charlie talks about working a few months at the Chinatown Manpower Project.

0:48 - Introduction, lessons from his mother, being smart and not accepting outward superficial labels.

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9:24 - Life at Princeton, issues as life as a student, reflecting on his values as a student, choosing what career he wanted, not being a good student.

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18:43 - Last summer working at the Basement workshop, organizing changes at Basement workshop and turning it into an arts space, Jack and Lai discussed creating their own organization, working with children in the summer program, fixing up the parks in the Chinatown area, thinking about the history project.

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35:40 - Graduating from Princeton, plans after graduation, figuring out what to do with the resource center, the crime and gangs in the Chinatown area, Project Reach and getting a job learning about social work, why the Basement workshop failed.

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47:46 - Starting the New York Chinatown History Project as a center for community studies, working with other organizations, making a living, looking for office space, making the organization official, collecting furniture for the space.

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63:44 - Jim and the various roles he had, National Endowment for the Humanities grant, taking social work classes at Hunter College, hiring non-Asian Americans, photographing Chinatown, planning the project and thinking who and what should be photographed, the Eight Pound Livelihood project.

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79:17 - Controversy of oral histories, FBI investigations, speaking different languages, difficulty of finding people that could talk to the organization, meeting with people in senior centers and the Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance, need for bilingual oral historians, seeing changes in the Chinatown community, creating the exhibition.

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95:49 - Describes the space 44 East Broadway, quality of programming, internal structure of the history project as a collective, working in a new environment, allocating a higher attention to the organization.

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112:55 - Planning for the exhibition and creating a space for the community, creating a traveling setup and bringing the exhibition to different centers, seniors' responses to the exhibition, educating the white and mainstream media, lack of representation of the Chinese community and Chinatown and making the museum a national and international space.

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