2021.022.001-1 Interview with Charlie Lai July 20, 2012

 

Charlie Lai along with Jack Tchen are founders of the Chinatown History Project, which has gone on to become the Museum of Chinese in America. In this five part interview conducted over the course of several months Charlie talks about his childhood in Hong Kong and how his family eventually decided to immigrate to the United States when he was nine years old. He talks about living with his uncle when they first arrive in the states and saying on Long Island. His family eventually moves into their own place in Manhattan. Later he recounts his time at Princeton and his community organizing effort to recruit more Asian students to the school even though he was not fond of the institution. While still a student at Princeton he spent summers working at Basement Workshop, which was where he met Jack Tchen. Basement had many issues with inter office politics and eventually closed. Charlie and Jack began discussing ideas, which would turn into the Chinatown History Project at 70 Mulberry Street. Charlie eventually steps down as executive director of the museum because he didn’t feel he could take it to the next level. But is called back when his replacement Fay Chew needs his help in growing the organization into a bigger space. Charlie recounts in depth his fundraising efforts with Maya Lin in the wake of the 9-11 attack to try and find the museum a new home, which ends up being 215 Centre Street. He makes mention of his personal life and marriage to Pat, whom he met while community organizing in college. After leaving the museum for a second time Charlie talks about working a few months at the Chinatown Manpower Project.

0:00 - Introductions, immigrating to the U.S from Hong Kong, relatives living in Long Island, preparations to move to the U.S.

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9:17 - His parents’ professions in Hong Kong, education availability in Hong Kong, reasons for immigrating to the U.S., thoughts about moving back to Hong Kong, background on Lai’s mother’s career.

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18:37 - Living in Chinatown in Manhattan, Lai’s father’s jobs in Chinatown, the sections of lower Manhattan, Jewish and Chinese public schools, education in the U.S., learning English.

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27:34 - First impressions of the apartment Lai and his family lived in at Chinatown, describes how dirty and dark the city was, going to school and shops in the Chinatown area and the Jewish Lower East Side, tensions between different racial groups, mostly hung around the Lower East Side as a child.

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38:19 - His mother still lives in the family apartment, the type of student he was, not getting into advanced classes because his English skills were not as high as his math skills, teacher strikes, being a troublemaker in school.

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49:22 - His parents’ expectations for him to go to college, going to Princeton, other colleges that he decided not to apply and go to such as Harvard, MIT and Yale.

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60:10 - Things he didn’t like about Princeton, wanting to be a doctor, the process of going to a clinic with no healthcare, orientation at Princeton, class and racial differences at Princeton.

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67:49 - The Asian American Student Association at Princeton and the Third World Center, the Asian population of students at Princeton, tensions of race and class, getting more involved with Asian students at the Third World Center, recruiting students.

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77:09 - Optimism on fixing intuitional issues with Princeton, not liking Princeton but wanting to make opportunities for others coming to the school, sharing the change of optimism to get into school with other Asians and Asian Americans.

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82:33 - Going back to Chinatown often and not liking school, working at a summer camp, knowledge of Basement Workshop and their involvement with athletic events, Asian American identity and being Chinese American.

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92:54 - 1976 worked at the Basement workshop on work study from Princeton, getting involved with the resource center and meeting Jack, frustration with some of the meetings, wanting to deepen the conversation about the community.

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101:30 - Conversations that occurred at Basement Workshop, frustration with the discussions and people that worked there, frustration with what others said to him, working at the Asian American Center and cataloguing booking and planning for exhibition, wanting to educate the community though some type of media.

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119:10 - Images From a Neglected Past Project, the origins of discussing MOCA and unpacking what Chinatown is, Jack, Jim and John from the resource center, obtaining various narratives of Chinatown to broaden people's understandings, the goal of bettering the community through resources.

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135:22 - Resistance to starting the organization because of its attention to art, Fay and the organizational structure of Basement Workshop, summer job as a Senior Field Supervisor, working at New York Chinese Community Center, working with kids and street cleaning, obtaining a grant and running the Basement workshop.

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