2013.022.003 Oral History Interview with Frank Liu

 

Frank Liu, former Director of Technology at MOCA, sits down with Tomie Arai to conduct an oral history recounting his experience growing up in Chinatown during the ‘90s and early 2000s. Liu discusses his family’s history and their experience immigrating to the U.S. from Fuzhou, Fujian when he was seventeen years old, in 1998. He discusses how his uncle was able to sponsor his family to come to the U.S. and how his family moved to Chinatown initially upon their arrival. He discusses how even though his family was able to immigrate to America legally through his uncle, many other Fujianese people at the time were smuggled to America illegally in hopes of a better future for themselves and their children. Liu talks about the two main groups of people in Chinatown: the Fujianese and the Cantonese. He discusses his ties to the Fujianese community in Chinatown through his mother, and how his family gets together for family reunions to see each other and feel connected through their Fujianese roots. He talks about meeting his wife and learning to communicate with her family, since she is originally from Taishan and her parents only speak Cantonese. He talks about how glad he is that his mother encouraged him to go to school and study instead of taking the more traditional route of earning money right away, and he remarks on how much he values his education. Frank introduces some artifacts that are important to his family’s history, such as photos from when they first immigrated, photos from the first time they rode the New York subway, and a digital camera that he saved for and was the first important object that he purchased for himself with his earned savings. The interview ends with the discussion of a Fujianese museum or community archive, and the materials or items that Liu would want included in that documentation effort.

0:00 - Introduction to Frank Liu, family background and history, immigration to the U.S., his mother’s first job, moving to Long Island and then back to New York City. Other family members living in Chinatown, immigration process back in 1998, differences between illegal and legal Fujianese immigrants, circumstances that lead to waves of immigration from Fujian province to USA.

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13:13 - Talking about two distinct groups in Chinatown: Fujianese people and Cantonese people. Different associations in Chinatown specifically meant to help Fujianese people acclimate to life in the U.S., seek employment, get housing. Talking about family reunions where the Liu’s get together to remember their Fujianese roots through the generations, decline in Fujianese immigrants to US.

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22:07 - Isolation of Fujianese people from Cantonese people in Chinatown, meeting his wife and having to learn how to communicate with her family since they are Taishanese and communicate in Cantonese, cultural and lifestyle differences between Cantonese and Fujianese people. How Chinatown is changing for the better, complicated relationship with Chinatown.

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32:36 - Going back to the immigration experience coming to the US, how his mother encouraged him to study and go to school instead pursuing a traditional path of earning a living at age seventeen. Educational history, meeting his wife at Stony Brook University, becoming involved with the community instead of focusing on earning money for a career. Changing perceptions of immigrating to the US from China.

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39:09 - Frank Liu introduces some of his artifacts from his life, photos that were taken soon after his family immigrated to the United States, photos of the first time riding the subway, how it was different from what he had pictured from movies. Anecdote about how his father immigrated later than the rest of his family. Memories of his wedding banquet held in Chinatown.

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52:10 - Where he lives now in Elmhurst, Queens, hanging out in Flushing, differences between Flushing and Chinatown in Manhattan, how Fujianese people seem connected to mainland China more than some other Chinese immigrant groups. Anecdote about his uncle going to Chinatown to buy flowers. How he used to work at a Jewish restaurant upstate on the weekends.

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61:08 - Going to high school in Chinatown before going to college at Stony Brook, bad experiences in high school, being discriminated against and bullied, walking to school every day. Discussion of his neighborhood growing up, becoming interested in things to do in Chinatown as a young person, finding good restaurants and groceries there. Discussion of Jewish restaurant he worked in.

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70:19 - Saving up the money from his job to buy his camera, reminiscing about growing up and being interested in electronics from a young age, getting his first computer and sharing it with his brother. What objects his family took with them when they immigrated from China, motivations behind wanting the digital camera, sharing photos with relatives back in China.

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79:46 - Liu’s dreams of building or going to a Fujianese museum that highlights Fujianese culture and history specifically, how these stories need to be heard, conclusions and closing remarks.

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