2008.040.014 Oral History Interview with Jan Lee June 18, 2008

 

MOCA sits down with Jan Lee to discuss his familys longstanding presence in Chinatown and some of the changes that he has witnessed over the decades as the owner of 21 Mott Street. Jan shares the story of how his family first became rooted in Chinatown when his grandfather arrived there at the end of the 19th century. He explains the changes that occurred in Chinatown during the huge wave of Chinese immigration in the 1970s, especially regarding the rise of violence and gangs in the area. Jan also shares the story of how his sister fought this trend through the Chinatown Community Young Lions program and shares anecdotes about his participation in the program. The conversation also delves into Jan’s thoughts on gentrification, both current and past. He offers his thoughts on the importance of Chinatown’s community stakeholders, the internal divisions in Chinatown, some of the dangers posed by external investment, the role that NYC is currently playing, and the role that he believes the city should play to encourage responsible development.

0:00 - Introduction and home at 21 Mott street; relationship to Chinatown; starting his own business in Chinatown and how it has evolved; 9/11; born in 1965; describes family; story of his grandfather and how he came to buy a building on behalf of the trade company he worked for

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13:18 - The building was a five-story tenement; mixed housing of Italians, Jews, and Chinese; describes the relationships; family living through the great depression; anecdote about father as a mechanic; compares his version of Chinatown to his father’s; struggle between native born and Chinese born

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18:33 - Describes public school and smaller Chinese social network in the 1960s; immigration in the 1970s and how it changed Chinatown; gang presence; Chinatown Community Young Lions was founded by his sister to keep kids occupied and away from gangs; importance of an activity to give kids identity; CCYL was always multi-racial and inclusive; Chinatown new year's parade experience; the new year’s parade after 9/11

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32:42 - Once his father became successful, he could have moved out but he chose not to; coping mechanisms for the difficult times; when he opened his store, people tried to extort him but he played dumb; thoughts on Mayor Giuliani’s impact on crime; recalls the dangers of Pell street but now things are safer

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38:54 - Experience of school in Harlem; his perceived borders of Chinatown; difficulty of imposing health standards on the neighborhood because of perceived racism; pride of being a merchant is gone because merchants aren’t from the neighborhood and serve outsiders; the stakeholders in the community and their importance; Chinatown on the precipice of change

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45:53 - Foreign and external-American investment trying to exploit Chinatown; preservation of neighborhoods; no necessity of tourism for the survival of the community, he believes in the economic engine of the low-income Chinese community; maintenance of old buildings; Chinatown landlords; his own ideas for revitalization; current strategy of improving Chinatown needs to be stopped; there has been a loss of a single ethnic voice; his critique of the bid system

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59:25 - A core group of stakeholders need to balance old-fashioned views; he taps into the old-fashioned knowledge and doesn’t dismiss them; effort to shift lower income people to the outer boroughs and develop the neighborhood; need to prevent turning it into a suburban mall

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63:10 - Gentrification; the Chinese improved the community and made it a more desirable place; doesn’t want to label gentrification as racial because it negates ethnic agency and success; impact of the mayors’ policies on commercially developing the city; need for responsible development; tourism is a part of Chinatown but not everything, need to replace the lost garment industry

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75:11 - What happened to Canal Street and the neighborhood black-market; Canal street under pressure for development; illicit businesses take the space of tenants; tendency to resist change by the older generations needs to be matched with solid reasoning; Chinatowns across the country have been abandoned by Chinese; anecdote about food stand built by grandfather

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88:31 - Saddened by favorite Philippino restaurant closing, but they are reopening; how older generations felt towards the transformation of Chinatown by the immigration wave in 1970s; people loved the diversity of foods that came over to Chinatown; criticism by oversea Chinese about Chinatown being dated; the issue is with the city and their lack of enforcement; generational divide between attention to cleanliness; need to stop selective enforcement in Chinatown

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